Comments on: South Africa’s First World Speeding Fine System http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/ Colin Seymour's corner of the internet. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:03:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Bruce http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7102 Bruce Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:41:53 +0000 http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7102 Hi Colin As per your article the revenue system in this country does work very well. Unfortunatly it is one of the only things that does. As per Garry's comment. I got knocked R700 for doing 111 Kph in a 100kph zone. I could have just bribed the guy by paying him the R100 that he asked for as Garry probably did! You tell me if I am wrong?!? Hi Colin

As per your article the revenue system in this country does work very well.
Unfortunatly it is one of the only things that does.

As per Garry’s comment. I got knocked R700 for doing 111 Kph in a 100kph zone.

I could have just bribed the guy by paying him the R100 that he asked for as Garry probably did!

You tell me if I am wrong?!?

]]> By: Colin http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7069 Colin Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:28:07 +0000 http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7069 A hundred bucks!!!??? Is that all?? And who said this is just to make money? ;-) A hundred bucks!!!??? Is that all?? And who said this is just to make money? ;-)

]]> By: Gary http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7068 Gary Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:11:50 +0000 http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7068 I've just been done for 74kph in a 60kph zone and fined 100 Rand. I’ve just been done for 74kph in a 60kph zone and fined 100 Rand.

]]> By: Colin http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7062 Colin Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:53:46 +0000 http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7062 Hmmm, a bit of an aggressive and unhappy comment there Bruce: some very valid points raised and I agree with what you've said to an extent but I'm not going to enter a debate about it as I think you missed the gist of the article. I wasn't talking about the various merits or the morality of speed cameras, road safety or law enforcement, but merely quoting on the efficiency of the fines system (interpret as a revenue system if you will - despite what you'd like to think, it's a great earner in every country) which is in stark contrast to everything else in South Africa, and even the UK. Hmmm, a bit of an aggressive and unhappy comment there Bruce: some very valid points raised and I agree with what you’ve said to an extent but I’m not going to enter a debate about it as I think you missed the gist of the article. I wasn’t talking about the various merits or the morality of speed cameras, road safety or law enforcement, but merely quoting on the efficiency of the fines system (interpret as a revenue system if you will - despite what you’d like to think, it’s a great earner in every country) which is in stark contrast to everything else in South Africa, and even the UK.

]]> By: Bruce Haralambous http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7061 Bruce Haralambous Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:18:37 +0000 http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-7061 What!?! What planet are you on? Better than the UK? So there money collection system is better than the UK is it? I implore you, please read on! The cameras are highly visible in the UK for a reason. Do you want to know what it is? It is to reduce accidents! People with photo sensitive epilepsy are warned, thus reducing accidents. Ask a South African road representative to pronounce that, and then ask him what it is, and then ask them if they care. If they cared they would have done something about it. Have they done anything about it? No! Again, do they care? They are clearly defined in the UK because of regard to public safety and because of there societies values with regards to human life as a whole. Better than the UK?!? That is the whole point of speed camera, is it not? To ensure the safety of road users. How many road users are there in the UK? How many of them have licences? How many of them were obtained illegally? How many of them have insurance? How many of them have an MOT? How many road accidents are there in the UK? Now compare that against South African statistics! What? Can’t hear you! Oh, that right. You don’t actually have anything to say right now do you? The traffic system here is a joke! All they are good at is collecting the money! They do not care about the individual road user. At all! In the UK they ensure that vehicles meet a minimum standard with regards to there maintenance, and they also enforce the fact that owners need to have insurance. You can not even buy or sell a car there unless you can prove that you have a licence, your car is roadworthy (unless declared SORN, in which case if you get caught driving it on the road, your dead meat) and that you have insurance. EVEN FOR CASH! The only thing the government here cares about with regards to the sale of an asset here is if they get there share in tax! Yes! The government taxes you here for that! AM I WRONG? If you get caught without any of those documents in the UK you will be arrested and your car will be scrapped. End of! The police there don’t even carry guns because they do not run the risk of being shot at over it because it is not a barbaric, gun toting, chromatic, fascist banana state. Bride one of them. I dare you! Compare that to South Africa! They also have a points systems to ensure that repeat offenders will have there licences revoked. And it is serious. Yesterday (3/07/08) they announced that they will be launching a pilot scheme is Pretoria (Tshwane) that will have the same basis of ideals as the UK with regards to fines and the points system. The problem with this is that apart from collecting the money from offenders they have nothing to ensure the safety of road users. There was nothing about insurance, about vehicle maintenance, about reducing the risk with cameras, with targeting accident hotspots to ensure public safety. Nothing. Absolutely nothing! So what have they actually done? They have taken there money collection agency up a notch. That all! Better than the UK? Man, grow a brain cell and get a life! What!?!

What planet are you on?

Better than the UK?

So there money collection system is better than the UK is it? I implore you, please read on!

The cameras are highly visible in the UK for a reason. Do you want to know what it is?
It is to reduce accidents!

People with photo sensitive epilepsy are warned, thus reducing accidents.
Ask a South African road representative to pronounce that, and then ask him what it is, and then ask them if they care. If they cared they would have done something about it. Have they done anything about it? No! Again, do they care?
They are clearly defined in the UK because of regard to public safety and because of there societies values with regards to human life as a whole.
Better than the UK?!?

That is the whole point of speed camera, is it not? To ensure the safety of road users.

How many road users are there in the UK? How many of them have licences? How many of them were obtained illegally? How many of them have insurance? How many of them have an MOT? How many road accidents are there in the UK?
Now compare that against South African statistics!
What? Can’t hear you! Oh, that right. You don’t actually have anything to say right now do you?

The traffic system here is a joke! All they are good at is collecting the money! They do not care about the individual road user. At all!

In the UK they ensure that vehicles meet a minimum standard with regards to there maintenance, and they also enforce the fact that owners need to have insurance. You can not even buy or sell a car there unless you can prove that you have a licence, your car is roadworthy (unless declared SORN, in which case if you get caught driving it on the road, your dead meat) and that you have insurance. EVEN FOR CASH!
The only thing the government here cares about with regards to the sale of an asset here is if they get there share in tax! Yes! The government taxes you here for that! AM I WRONG?
If you get caught without any of those documents in the UK you will be arrested and your car will be scrapped. End of!
The police there don’t even carry guns because they do not run the risk of being shot at over it because it is not a barbaric, gun toting, chromatic, fascist banana state.
Bride one of them. I dare you!

Compare that to South Africa!

They also have a points systems to ensure that repeat offenders will have there licences revoked. And it is serious.

Yesterday (3/07/08) they announced that they will be launching a pilot scheme is Pretoria (Tshwane) that will have the same basis of ideals as the UK with regards to fines and the points system.
The problem with this is that apart from collecting the money from offenders they have nothing to ensure the safety of road users.
There was nothing about insurance, about vehicle maintenance, about reducing the risk with cameras, with targeting accident hotspots to ensure public safety. Nothing. Absolutely nothing!

So what have they actually done? They have taken there money collection agency up a notch. That all!

Better than the UK?

Man, grow a brain cell and get a life!

]]> By: Mum http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-6974 Mum Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:15:32 +0000 http://www.colinseymour.co.uk/blog/south-africas-first-world-speeding-fine-system/#comment-6974 Okay - GUILTY as charged :-) Okay - GUILTY as charged :-)

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